I've followed Dogster, both on Facebook and on their website, for years. I have a profile set up on their site for both Dahlia and Teri (my parent's dog), as well as profiles for dogs who have passed on. I have communicated with others in their forums. I get their e-mails in my inbox. And I actually read them.
Dogster claims to be "The #1 site for dog lovers on the Internet." With over 111,000 likes on Facebook and over half a million members on their website, that may very well be true. I cannot deny that a lot of people follow them and, hopefully, learn from some of the great articles they have had there over the years.
But lately there seems to be a turn the site is taking, with articles that are inflammatory in nature. The first one I took issue with was a reprint of an article by Megan Segura called If You Bought Your Dog, I'm Judging You. The article is exactly what it says it is. In it, she lists the reasons she believes people choose to buy a dog instead of going to a shelter and for each one offers up several judgmental remarks about what she thinks of these people. Her face "gets hot," her "stomach drops" and then "the rage begins."
On Dogster's philosophy page, they list their values. One of those values is "We champion adoption. And we support responsible breeders" (underline not added by myself). If so, why post an article against that value? As one commenter on the article pointed out "Judgement of anyone for any reason is ugly and has no place whatsoever in animal rescue." There was simply no reason for alienating so many people and going against their own values. Around here, we call that "hypocritical."
The latest article, though, was not only inflammatory but wildly inaccurate and wholly offensive. Dogster defends their posting of this article with the following: “Doghouse Confessionals” are intensely personal stories from our readers about life with their dogs. We recognize that ALL dogs need proper training and socialization and welcome your viewpoints in the article comments...We also understand that the experience shared by the author of this "Confessional" may not be that of all of our readers.
The article in question is called We Adopted a Pit Bull Mix -- Who Turned Aggressive on Us. In it, the author of the article details her adoption, issues, and subsequent return of Marley, a supposed pit mix. There are many things wrong with the way the author speaks of and dealt with Marley during his time with her.
She went to the shelter to adopt a large mixed breed dog like the one she had recently lost, an admirable thing to be sure. The dog she fell in love with was Marley, a 12-week-old puppy who she was told was a Mastiff mix, even though she "knew he was probably not a Mastiff as he did not have the wrinkles." Here's the first, fairly minor, quibble with this article: mixing breeds of dogs means you may remove certain aspects of one breed or the other. My dog is likely mixed with Golden Retriever, yet there is nothing "golden" about her.
But then her concerns began: The dog had been neutered before the vet-recommended 5 months (a common thing at shelters who will often neuter dogs as young as 8 weeks old). The staff came to check multiple times on the puppy and one occasion they said "They all have those eyes," indicating they believed the dog was a pit bull mix.
In reality, is the dog in question a pit mix? It's possible, but based
on the photos it's also possible the dog is a mix of Sharpei, Great
Dane, Mastiff, and many other breeds. Without knowing a dog's specific origin, it is impossible to say whether or not a dog really has pit bull in him. It's impossible to say what breeds are in any mix unless the parents are known. I call my dog a Border Collie/Golden Retriever mix based on what I know of canine genetics,
her looks, and her personality. But she was a stray, parentage
unknown. Someone I know calls her a "hairy black farm dog." That may
be even more apt.
From here, the story takes a hard turn. The dog begins to show fear issues (though the author mislabels them as "dominance" issues, thus perpetuating yet another myth): spooking at the sudden appearance of other people, barking at other dogs, their dogs getting into a fight (which, despite their "going for each other" she blames solely on Marley and says he wanted to kill the other dog). After an incident of his showing extreme fear after being surprised by some people on holiday, they clearly would have done a few things: take the dog to the vet to make sure his health was in order (was he losing his vision? thyroid off? were his hips bad and causing him pain?) and if his health was fine, they'd start a program with a good behaviorist to work on his fear issues: LAT (Look At That), BAT (Behavior Adjustment Training), counter conditioning. There are many ways to work on fear in a dog. They would "crate and rotate" so that Marley was neither locked away nor let loose around other pets. They would walk him alone and work on his issues while out in the world.
Unfortunately, this is not what happened. The dog was chained to their camping van for the remainder of their holiday (research has shown that chaining dogs increases frustration and fear and that many chained dogs become aggressive) and the author became afraid of him. I'll give them credit for at least trying a few things, but when dealing with a dog who has such intense fear issues, unless you are a trained behaviorist, you simply cannot do it on your own. I know a fair bit about dog training, but I would never attempt to work on such severe issues without professional help (granted, they never would have gotten to that point with me as I would have begun working on them at the first sign of problems). They never even spoke to the shelter of the issues they were having with Marley. Often the breeder, rescue, or shelter you get your dog from is a great resource for any issues you might be having, both major and minor. Sometimes they have their own trainer on staff. Often they can advise you as to what to do and who to go see about your dog. They are a resource that anyone who adopts from them absolutely should make use of.
In the end, they did finally get together with a trainer, one who used shock collars (something any behaviorist worth his/her salt would recommend against for a dog with fear issues). They gave him one day to fix the problem and Marley "behaved" for the shock trainer. But as soon as he was gone, he went for their other dog again, and that was it for Marley. They returned him to the shelter, a shelter who had no idea that there were so many problems happening with this dog. She said of this, "We did not enquire what happened to Marley afterward, but his prognosis
was not good under the current legislation. I’m sorry, but I preferred
not to know."
She preferred not to know. Surely she must know what became of this dog. If someone turns in aggressive dog here, the dog is immediately euthanized. Sometimes they're euthanized even if they're not showing any aggressive tendencies, but it's done solely on the owner's statements. I seem to recall one awful story in which someone stole their neighbor's dog, turned it into the shelter claiming it was their own and it was aggressive, and the dog was euthanized before the neighbor even knew what happened. At any rate, Marley is dead. I can guarantee you that much. And saddest of all, Marley died surrounded by strangers in an intense state of fear. If you have tried everything, if you have a dog who has such fear issues that you do not believe you can live with the dog or rehome him, if you feel that his quality of life is so poor that the best thing for him is to end his misery, then you take your dog to the vet, you be with him as they end his life, you allow him to be surrounded by those who supposedly love him instead of strangers. But the author of the article could not even grant her dog this final kindness and instead turned him over to the shelter to let them do it.
Now after the author wrote this "confessional," do you think that the ultimate result was her taking responsibility, advising people to see a behaviorist or trainer before it's too late (According to Dogster, it's up to us, the readers, to educate, and not their site), being up front with the shelter or rescue, getting your dog in to a vet to evaluate him for possible physical causes of aggression? No. Ultimately, the author blamed the shelter for adopting her a pit bull mix when she had a multi-animal household.
The shelter is blameless here. They adopted out a puppy of unknown origin to someone who claimed she understood dogs and wanted a large mixed breed puppy of "bully breed origin." They never knew of the issues she was having with him until she returned him at the end. And moreover, she blamed his breed. If she had only known, she would never have gotten a pit bull mix as, according to the author, pit bull mixes do not belong in multi-dog households.
The entire article left a bad taste in my mouth and I can't help but wonder why a site that bills itself as a site for dog lovers would actively promote BSL by posting it. Dogster, of course, denies that the article is doing anything to promote the pit bull hater's agenda ("I disagree that this article is spreading misinformation about pit bulls."). Rather than admit that perhaps they were wrong in posting the article, they have instead battened down the hatches and written to anyone critical of the article to warn us off posting on Dogster.
In fact, yesterday evening I received an e-mail from one Vicky Walker, managing editor of Dogster entitled "Please consider taking a break from the Dogster discussion today" and warning me that if I continued to post, I would be given a "time out" (in fact, Vicky has since banned me from posting anywhere on Dogster).
Clearly Dogster has spoken. It is the #1 site for dog lovers unless you own a pit bull or pit bull mix or defend those breeds. It is the #1 site for dog lovers unless you believe in taking responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming everyone else for your own failings. Then you better forget getting on the site to defend the breed you know so well against the accusations that the author of the post in question made and you better forget trying to educate people on what went wrong in the story and how things could have been handled differently. Well, no worries Dogster. You have lost multiple people due to your posting of this article and your subsequent actions. In time it seems this site will be as highly regarded as the now Cesar Millan-driven "Dog Breed Info" site is by real dog lovers.
What a shame. You have a huge audience and you have squandered your chance to reach them. Perhaps you should rethink your strategy a bit, as well as rethinking the type of reactionary and inflammatory people you hire to be "managing editors" on your site.
Edited to add: It appears that Vicky Walker, the "editing manager," is a friend of the author's. And a long-time friend at that. She says in one comment: "And speaking as Vicky's editor: I've known her for over 25 years." Perhaps Dogster might have done better to allow an editor who did not know the author handle the editing, posting, and moderating of comments.
so I am not alone, then. I was merely denied, banned from the magazine..can still post on forums. I sent HQ a sarcastic letter..so i bet I`ll be joining you in the bad dog kennel very soon. I asked where the mods were when one of the save charlie nuts suggested i drown myself in a bucket. Perhaps it is time to `pull a Harlow`& go out with a bang.
ReplyDeleteNope you are not alone at all! I haven't tried to see if I can post on the forum but I suspect I can. I know I can't post anything on the magazine anymore.
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ReplyDeleteI suspect many people will be doing that. Such a shame.
DeleteI did not read the article but just your description of this dog is that the dog could have been deaf. You would be surprised at how many clueless folks adopt a deaf dog and can't understand why it acts out. It was probably a bad match to start out with. Any person who would chain a fearful dog outside in my opinion is an uneducated dog person who has no business having a large breed do. I am shocked they would put up such a horrible "confessional" without people getting really upset. Good for you for speaking up.
ReplyDeleteSince there was no mention of ever taking the dog to the vet for an evaluation anything is possible. An amazing amount of people assume their dog is stubborn when the dog actually can't hear them so who knows?
DeleteTo be totally fair to the original author they didn't permanently chain the dog outside, but they did opt to do that on holiday instead of trying to work with the dog or try to find some way to incorporate him into their vacation. It was still not the right thing to do.
What a shame. I did read that first article, and was shocked by it. Because to me, posting that inflammatory, judgemental article was basically supporting the opinions expressed therein. I haven't read this new one, as I basically stopped reading anything Dogster shares.
ReplyDeleteI admit I probably should have stopped reading after that one, but continued to as they posted a rebuttal to it and there were some decent, if mostly frivolous articles after that.
DeleteBut this latest one really takes the cake. I'm never fond of sites that say "We just publish this, we don't agree with it." Take a STANCE. Post things you agree with and not inflammatory garbage that you claim to not agree with. MSNBC isn't going to post any "The Republicans in the House are the best ever" and Fox News isn't going to post "We were wrong! Obama really IS the best President!" so why on earth would a site that claims to love dogs not take a stance against breed profiling?
Of course, the "editing manager" sure seems to agree with it as she defended the author every chance she got and sent off harassing e-mails to more than one person about it. I guess I need to read their Terms of Service as I don't recall saying that their moderators could e-mail me off site.
This whole trend makes me sad. I recall in Dogster's first year the founder spoke at SXSW interactive and I got a chance to talk to him one on one a bit. I really liked his idea and vision. I suppose I am one of the early adopters on that site. I haven't been following or participating on it since opening my biz - I get enough dog on a daily basis! - but it seemed like such a good thing.
ReplyDeleteTo hear this, and read that article, well, it just smacks of irresponsible journalism. Differentiating between editorials and news on a news site is one thing, but in the dog world, with so many inexperienced owners taking what's posted for reality versus opinion, I just think that perhaps the dog owning population in general is not able to differentiate in a format such as this.
And their response to you and others? Unforgivable. Too sad.
It's truly unfortunate. When I first joined, which was an awfully long time ago, it seemed like such a great place. At first it was pretty simple, just profiles and little places to interact and then it grew into this huge magazine and other things. They got some great people on board.
DeleteBut then they started posting these stories occasionally that yes, people are going to take as proof to back up their beliefs and to guide them. It's just very unfortunate. They've gotten some questionable people on board lately.
Wow in looking at it I joined in 2004, so I guess I was a pretty early adopter too!
DeleteThen perhaps this is something that needs to be taken up the chain of command? The higher ups may for one reason or another have no idea what's going on and be interested to know what the managing editor is doing.
DeleteI did actually send a message off to Dogster, but I'm not sure who it goes to. I have yet to receive a response though I didn't indicate I needed one right away.
DeleteA few others on their FB page have complained of getting banned as well, so it's definitely not just me.
Yeah... I went and deleted my account too.
ReplyDeleteThis is such terrible BS.
I deleted all my profiles on there and have written to them to ask to have my account permanently deleted. They wrote to ask why.
DeleteAnd I told them. We'll see what comes of THAT.
So disgusted at Dogster, and the owner of poor Marley. I'm surprised they sent that email to you, and then questioned why you wanted your accounts permanently deleted. I'm curious to read if they respond to your email telling them why.
ReplyDeleteThe article really tugged on my heart strings because I have a fearful, leash-aggressive dog (Dio) and I cannot imagine ever abandoning him! It wasn't easy to get him to the point he is now, but we did it and he's a happy and mostly well-adjusted dog. I just have to be careful, but that's okay! Certainly better than sending him off to his death...
I know an amazing amount of people with reactive dogs who have stood by them and helped them or, at the very least, managed it. I won't deny that this dog had serious problems, ones that became far worse than reactivity and I'm not sure what I'd do if I adopted a new dog and it kept attacking Dahlia. Obviously I wouldn't want my best girl to live like that, so there would have to be something done. I'm sure it would mean extensive work and a lot of crate/rotate. But could it end in euthanizing the dog if there wasn't a possibility of rehoming it in a safe home where he/she could be the only dog? I can't say it wouldn't. But if it did, you can bet I would NOT be dumping the dog off at a shelter to let them do the "dirty work."
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